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    • 1: CommentAuthormav
    • CommentTime16 Mar 2021
     
    Sounds more like benchmark, not actually music
    • 2: CommentAuthoremkay
    • CommentTime21 Mar 2021 zmieniony
     
    How about this one?





    Some GM instruments
    • 3: CommentAuthorrosomak
    • CommentTime21 Mar 2021
     
    Its really nice to 51 sec.
    • 4: CommentAuthoremkay
    • CommentTime22 Mar 2021
     
    @rosomak.
    Thw whole tune is nice ;). Particular the main Instrument sounds correct.
    It's just that the 1st part is nicer than expected.
    Remember that the tune on the SID isn't really nice by the used style. It is designed to sound like "Rock", not "Classical Music".
    Keep in mind that we don't have a Tracker that is supporting this directly. Editing while playing the tune would allow even more fine adjustments.
    The LZSS Player makes demonstrations of the possibilities sharper.
    • 5:
       
      CommentAuthorJacques
    • CommentTime22 Mar 2021 zmieniony
     

    rosomak:

    Its really nice to 51 sec.

    I totally agree.

    emkay:

    Thw whole tune is nice ;). Particular the main Instrument sounds correct.
    It's just that the 1st part is nicer than expected.


    I don't know if it's in good tune to reply "whole is nice", when being an author - by definition subjective to his creation ;-)
    For me, percussion that enters at 51 secs destroys what was already built up, and later it intensifies even more and is stealing all foreground.
    There must be a way to achieve something better than that with percussion?
    • 6: CommentAuthorpavros
    • CommentTime22 Mar 2021
     
    @emkay
    It's a masterpiece. Well done!
    Pls share it. :)

    @Jacques
    emkay is not an author of this music. I believe he's referring to the original when smiling.
    • 7: CommentAuthoremkay
    • CommentTime23 Mar 2021
     
    Hm... here are two additional different versions.





    and a more "PWM" version with more arpeggios, like the sid original







    Imagine what could be possible with a POKEY supporting Tracker using all this stuff directly.
    • 8: CommentAuthoremkay
    • CommentTime23 Mar 2021
     
    Btw. The 64kHz Versions were detected "Original" by Youtube.
    • 9: CommentAuthoremkay
    • CommentTime26 Mar 2021
     
    1st of them with changed drums .

    • 10: CommentAuthorrosomak
    • CommentTime27 Mar 2021
     
    Emkay, co to za perkusja??? Gorzej się nie dało?
    • 11: CommentAuthoremkay
    • CommentTime27 Mar 2021
     
    rosomak
    there are two drums.
    How about showing me your taste of "drums" , so might get what you like and what not.
    • 12: CommentAuthorgorgh
    • CommentTime27 Mar 2021
     
    latest song is quite nice emkay
    also: 512 post in this thread :)
    • 13: CommentAuthoremkay
    • CommentTime27 Mar 2021
     
    That's the unsolvable part, when editing music .
    It is not possible to create one tune that fits to the taste of all.
    • 14: CommentAuthorrosomak
    • CommentTime27 Mar 2021
     
    Emkay, poszukam, póki co wrzucę tylko to ->link<-
    • 15: CommentAuthoremkay
    • CommentTime27 Mar 2021
     
    rosomak
    is this a funny joke?
    You know that your tune is digitized ?
    • 16: CommentAuthoremkay
    • CommentTime27 Mar 2021
     
    And here some other tune with new "programmed" sounds.

    Pulse Width Ring Mod Wiz
    • 17: CommentAuthorrosomak
    • CommentTime27 Mar 2021
     
    Emkay, napisałem że poszukam a wrzucilem to jako przykład fajnej muzy Jakuba
    • 18: CommentAuthoremkay
    • CommentTime28 Mar 2021 zmieniony
     
    Here a visualisation of the main thing of the last tune.
    It's actually building waves on a combination of Ring Modulation and Pulse Width Modulation.
    And, as you might see, it is fully controllable.

    • 19: CommentAuthoremkay
    • CommentTime1 Apr 2021 zmieniony
     
    How about some 4 channel harmonics?



    • 20: CommentAuthorpin
    • CommentTime1 Apr 2021
     
    ... ale kakofony. To by było nawet dobre, nie wiem tylko ile zioła do tego potrzeba zapalić :))
    • 21: CommentAuthoremkay
    • CommentTime1 Apr 2021
     
    pin
    It's easy to have it not sounding like "cacophony.
    Just don't comsume those herbs ;)
    • 22: CommentAuthoremkay
    • CommentTime1 Apr 2021
     
    Also, what is this?
    The development of POKEY music has done a "quantum leap" in the past year. The response is quite low.
    But it costs a lot time to use RMT to get things done.
    So, even if the results were impressive, things could be even a lot better, if a tracker existed, to set all sounds directly.

    But all, you get is someone posting "cacophony" just by the taste of music, not judging on the real specs.
    • 23: CommentAuthorpirx
    • CommentTime2 Apr 2021
     
    i must say that first emkay tunes sounded really horrible to me, but after these tens of years when I heard this last piece it felt familiar and not that bad. acquired taste I guess :)))))))))))))
    • 24: CommentAuthoremkay
    • CommentTime2 Apr 2021 zmieniony
     
    pirx

    It is a sum of "all"

    I'm not a "professional" musician, so I had to learn things.
    There is still the taste who makes a tune "like" or not "like".
    Then there has been some software correction by time.
    -Pokey emulation upgrade
    -notation table correction. (Did you notice the correct 440Hz
    tuning? )
    -The LZSS player solves a lot bugs of RMT.
    (filter setting skipping, timing problems, false pitch...)
    But inside the RMT Editor you still have to fight with the
    errors. This means,you have to change something, save it, use
    the LZSS compressor, start Altirra, listen to the tune till the
    part of changing. If it is not good, start with changing
    something in RMT...

    So, what you hear in the LZSS player and played in Altirra, is 95% correct to the real thing.
    It's worth the hassle :)
    • 25: CommentAuthoremkay
    • CommentTime3 Apr 2021 zmieniony
     
    Things would be so easy to reach with a supporting tracker for all this feautures. Particular fine tuning on dedicated positions of the tune.



    Playing a little with "low pass" features and morphing sounds
    • 26: CommentAuthoremkay
    • CommentTime3 Apr 2021
     
    Really!
    Imagine, what could be , if a really POKEY supporting Tracker existed.

    • 27: CommentAuthoremkay
    • CommentTime11 Apr 2021
     
    Interesting part here is the "growing" on old projects, just by the better software that is getting available.
    You might know that I did a "gazillion" test tunes in the past. So, even if it is a tremendously complex task to get things done running clean in the LZSS player, things look "quickly" .

    Here are some more new results:

















    Still: Imagine what could be done with a real supporting software for all this.
    • 28: CommentAuthoremkay
    • CommentTime11 Apr 2021
     
    Or, how about this style?



    • 29: CommentAuthoremkay
    • CommentTime13 Apr 2021
     
    Do you like music?
    This tune originally done by Rob Hubbard was build upon the SID's strength.

    Sorry to say that, but this "snippet" is equal on the POKEY. Even if still the available software is the limiting factor.


    • 30:
       
      CommentAuthorcrrn
    • CommentTime13 Apr 2021
     
    masakra
    XD
    • 31: CommentAuthoremkay
    • CommentTime13 Apr 2021
     
    crm

    only if you don't like music.
    • 32: CommentAuthorCyprian
    • CommentTime13 Apr 2021
     
    @emkay this time that doesn't work,
    a melody sounds a quite ok, the rest is out of tune, out of beat..
    • 33: CommentAuthoremkay
    • CommentTime2 May 2021 zmieniony
     
    The problem still is the methods to reach just normal levels by cruising around the software restrictions.

    In this tune, the "Bass" resolution is 3 times better than the 8 bit resolution.

    The problem here is that LZSS optimizes all RMT feaures, but RMT denies all 16 bit optimizations by just not supporting them.

    • 34: CommentAuthorrosomak
    • CommentTime3 May 2021
     
    Sounds nice
    • 35: CommentAuthoremkay
    • CommentTime4 dni temu
     
    How about this one?

    POKEY "standard programming" using the available development tools.


    • 36:
       
      CommentAuthorsun
    • CommentTime3 dni temu
     
    jednak oryginał brzmi lepiej :)
    • 37: CommentAuthorrosomak
    • CommentTime2 dni temu
     
    A ja myślę, że emkay nie chce wiedzieć co o tym myślę, natomiast znajomość ze słoniem mu nie służy ;-)